Comments on: When is an egg murder? http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder Random things I've written about stuff Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:48:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Anonymous http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-23636 Anonymous Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:59:30 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-23636 Eggs that are sold aren't fertilized therefore they can not become a chicken so you are not taking a life. Eggs that are sold aren’t fertilized therefore they can not become a chicken so you are not taking a life.

]]> By: Robert Reese http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-1078 Robert Reese Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:16:52 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-1078 I believe that eating either the egg (any egg) or the chicken is murder. Although, you do have a point that your chickens live much better lives than farmed chickens. My parents raise chickens as a hobby as well and they eat the eggs, but not the meat. I personally can't bring myself to do either, but I do admit that that's better than eating farmed eggs or chickens. But, I used to eat eggs and even meat myself and didn't feel that it was wrong -- now I do... It's an interesting concept, this slope of what's okay to eat: there are cannibals who would eat other people, then typical people who will eat meat, then vegetarians who still eat eggs, then vegetarians who won't eat eggs (like me), and then the even more strict complete vegans who won't eat any animal products at all. How can all these people act so differently and believe that their way is the right way? Who really is right? I believe that eating either the egg (any egg) or the chicken is murder. Although, you do have a point that your chickens live much better lives than farmed chickens. My parents raise chickens as a hobby as well and they eat the eggs, but not the meat. I personally can’t bring myself to do either, but I do admit that that’s better than eating farmed eggs or chickens. But, I used to eat eggs and even meat myself and didn’t feel that it was wrong — now I do… It’s an interesting concept, this slope of what’s okay to eat: there are cannibals who would eat other people, then typical people who will eat meat, then vegetarians who still eat eggs, then vegetarians who won’t eat eggs (like me), and then the even more strict complete vegans who won’t eat any animal products at all. How can all these people act so differently and believe that their way is the right way? Who really is right?

]]> By: Ciaran’s Random Writings » Blog Archive » Chicks and Mnesia http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-77 Ciaran’s Random Writings » Blog Archive » Chicks and Mnesia Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:47:26 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-77 [...] The things that were recently tasty eggs are now cute chicks, as of last Sunday, hence the picture. Only two though - one yellow, one black. [...] [...] The things that were recently tasty eggs are now cute chicks, as of last Sunday, hence the picture. Only two though – one yellow, one black. [...]

]]> By: anonymous http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-65 anonymous Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:55:04 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-65 How about a distinction by weight. I haven't thought this through fully yet, but I'll make a start. An egg becomes a chick when it weighs more as a chick than an egg. This is measureable although it could be messy. You could also do it by volume. This is not a general way to measure aliveness though. I'm planning to weight my wife before and after birth and subtract the weight of the baby before and after fist dump and do some calculations, but that is another story and it's to do with betting on the characteristics of an unborn. And whilst I was playing croquet at the weekend and the ball isn't through until it is fully through like a ball has to be classed as out or in in many games erm... it isn't born until it is all the way out, so my problem is when do I weigh my wife or do I get her to give birth on the scales? How about a distinction by weight. I haven’t thought this through fully yet, but I’ll make a start. An egg becomes a chick when it weighs more as a chick than an egg. This is measureable although it could be messy. You could also do it by volume. This is not a general way to measure aliveness though. I’m planning to weight my wife before and after birth and subtract the weight of the baby before and after fist dump and do some calculations, but that is another story and it’s to do with betting on the characteristics of an unborn. And whilst I was playing croquet at the weekend and the ball isn’t through until it is fully through like a ball has to be classed as out or in in many games erm… it isn’t born until it is all the way out, so my problem is when do I weigh my wife or do I get her to give birth on the scales?

]]> By: ciarang http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-64 ciarang Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:39:32 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-64 Well now, you and I would also perish unless the correct amount of heat was present, but we're definitely alive. My wife proposed the 'oxygen test' as well, incidentally. I think you're ganging up on me. Anyway, it definitely felt odd eating eggs that were about to become chicks, but the remainder are now in the incubator so it can't happen again. It's probably best to ignore my mad ramblings on subjects like this, otherwise there is the risk of getting sucked into a debate on the merits of <a href="http://www.quornfedchicken.com" rel="nofollow">Quorn-fed Chicken</a>. Well now, you and I would also perish unless the correct amount of heat was present, but we’re definitely alive. My wife proposed the ‘oxygen test’ as well, incidentally. I think you’re ganging up on me.

Anyway, it definitely felt odd eating eggs that were about to become chicks, but the remainder are now in the incubator so it can’t happen again. It’s probably best to ignore my mad ramblings on subjects like this, otherwise there is the risk of getting sucked into a debate on the merits of Quorn-fed Chicken.

]]> By: anonymous http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-63 anonymous Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:34:38 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-63 Possibly but at the same time some materials for our meatbot are present, a yoke for building material for example but there are resources unavailable too such as heat so it can not if left by itself grow. In the case of a chicken egg its too difficult to make the claim its alive as a mass of gooey yellow cells that don't use oxygen for fuel. Possibly but at the same time some materials for our meatbot are present, a yoke for building material for example but there are resources unavailable too such as heat so it can not if left by itself grow.

In the case of a chicken egg its too difficult to make the claim its alive as a mass of gooey yellow cells that don’t use oxygen for fuel.

]]> By: ciarang http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-62 ciarang Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:57:16 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-62 I'm still not convinced it's that simple. The egg, so long as it is in an environment that will sustain it (i.e. the right temperature), will hatch into a chick of its own accord. As such, I disagree with "can be transformed" - it will 'transform' itself. Your meat robot, I would say, has already been assembled to a point where it can finish the job itself. On the other hand, my wife seems to think I am talking shite and it is not 'alive' until a heartbeat is discernable. I’m still not convinced it’s that simple. The egg, so long as it is in an environment that will sustain it (i.e. the right temperature), will hatch into a chick of its own accord. As such, I disagree with “can be transformed” – it will ‘transform’ itself.

Your meat robot, I would say, has already been assembled to a point where it can finish the job itself. On the other hand, my wife seems to think I am talking shite and it is not ‘alive’ until a heartbeat is discernable.

]]> By: anonymous http://ciarang.com/posts/when-is-an-egg-murder/comment-page-1#comment-61 anonymous Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:03:32 +0000 http://blog.ciarang.com/index.php/archives/80#comment-61 Actually it is pretty simple. Vegetarians will not eat a corpse or anything from it. You can't really compare an Egg which is pre-living to something which is already alive and has been killed. An egg can be transformed from something which is a mass of cells into a living creature though. Alternatively, a meat robot that only has design schematics available and has not been built is just bits of organic material on an assembly line. Actually it is pretty simple. Vegetarians will not eat a corpse or anything from it.

You can’t really compare an Egg which is pre-living to something which is already alive and has been killed. An egg can be transformed from something which is a mass of cells into a living creature though.

Alternatively, a meat robot that only has design schematics available and has not been built is just bits of organic material on an assembly line.

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